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CPR Training April 30 2009

Rich Inman, Dan Porter, Larry Thomas and Janice Cartwright went to renew our CPR class last week. We partnered up and practiced on each other. (There were numerous comments about newly discovered love handles during the choking victim segment.) I’ve enclosed a photo of one of our sessions with our victim. There were some changes to old techniques and methods so a refresher course was definitely in order. It was a great class and we all passed in spite of ourselves. Thanks to Dan Archer at MSU for hosting/teaching it.

Bridger Bowl Trail Work

The Gallatin Valley Back Country Horsemen along with the Gallatin Mountain Bike club put in water bars on a common use trail at Bridger Bowl.

June 7th Spanish Creek

Don Drake and his son from Whitehall went to Spanish Creek Sunday June 7. They cleared up the main trail on the bottom to Fall’s Creek trail on Sunday night. Monday they cleared 401 to where Camp Creek meets North Fork of Spanish Creek and back up Big Brother trail almost to the wilderness boundary, where we hit to much snow to proceed. There was not much downfall in there this year. They didn’t cut much more than a dozen trees total.

Timeshare

The timeshare use configuration for five of the nine trails close to Bozeman goes into effect June 16 – September 5, 2009.
The five trails are:

Corbly #544 – Foothills #534
Ross Pass #551 – Foothills #534
Truman #535 – Foothills #534
Middle Cottonwood #586 (Trailhead to intersection) – Foothills #534 (Middle Cottonwood to Sypes #531)
“M” (#534 Parking Lot to #531) and Sypes #531

The use configuration on the remaining trails will begin July 16^th – September 4^th.
These trails are:

East Fork Hyalite #434
Hyalite #427 to intersection with #185
Storm Castle Creek #185

In 2007 representatives of five trail user groups and the Gallatin National Forest developed a use configuration for nine trails close to Bozeman that the Gallatin National Forest Travel Plan Decision designated for time-shared use. The timeshare configuration establishes the when, where, and how these trails will be shared between users in space and time and responds to the public asking for more non-motorized trail opportunities on heavily used trails near Bozeman. In January 2009, the user groups met to discuss what changes should be considered based on user group feedback and monitoring from the year before. The group determined no changes were necessary other than some better signing. For additional information please contact the Bozeman Ranger District at (406) 522-2520 or visit the Forest’s website at www.fs.fed.us/r1/gallatin.

June 17th Hell Roaring

The Wednesdayy Trail Maintenance Crew on June 17 consisted of Larry Thomas, Rich Inman, Wally Becker, Bonnie Hammer , Jim Albright and Brenda Kessler. Everyone arrived before 9 AM at the Hell Roaring Creek Trail Head so the crew headed out with horses and Rich’s pack mule ,Mandy loaded with shovels, picks, pulaskis, Mcleads, combi tools, axes and hand saws. About 5 miles up the trail there were several places where the trail had washed out to a very narrow passage with steep exposure to the creek thundering below. This and several other places were widened to safely accommodate hikers and riders. Bonnie estimated about 300 feet of trail was widened and maintained. The guys finished up while Bonnie and Brenda rode further up the trail looking for downfall. At 7,412 feet in altitude (and still no snow) a small tree had fallen across the trail which Bonnie immediately sawed and removed from the trail. Brenda held the horses. At this point in the trail, Bonnie and Brenda returned: Then they met Larry and Wally at the “Y”. Jim and Rich had gone on down to do water bars on their way out. Rich was soon passed still working but Jim had gone on with Rich’s horse and Mandy. We all made it to the parking lot by 4:30 ready to go home to a hot shower. The weather had cooperated mostly with clouds, cool, with sun ,warm and several sprinkles of rain. All in all, it was a good day.

Wed June 23 Indian Ridge

Fourth time out for the Wednesday crew, June 23: We met at the Indian Ridge trail head Today, the crew consisted of Wally Becker, Rich Inman, Bonnie Hammer, Catherine Nelson, Jim Allbright and Brenda Kessler. For five miles the trail went up, during this time two blow-downs were removed and about 300 feet of trail were provided with new (freshly cut) water bars. At the Y (five miles down to the Spanish creek trail head) we turned around to return (5 miles down) to the Indian Ridge Trail head. We observed some beautiful views as we were high and the weather was sunny but still cool. About 2 or three miles from the trail head or our vehicles, Rich dismounted to clean water bars . He sent the gals on ahead with the horses . Wally and Jim also dismounted to help. After riding about ½ mile, realizing the walking the guys were doing and feeling sorry for them, the girls stopped and decided to wait. It wasn’t long and Rich appeared moving quickly down the trail cleaning water bars proficiently. Shortly behind him came Wally and Jim limping along, trying to keep up. They were glad to see the horses. Jim was muttering “boots, blisters, wish I was wearing my hiking boots “. We all climbed aboard except for Rich and headed for the bottom and the creek. There, we watered the horses and waited for Rich. And again, it was not long before he arrived after cleaning (how many water bars)? We were glad to continue to the vehicles, load the horses and head for home. We were turning into Cottonwood road at around 6:00—long day!

July 1st Yellow Mule

The Wednesday crew found themselves at Ousel falls trail head on July 1st. What a lovely place! It had rained the evening before so at 8:30, that morning, the woods and surroundings were a soft, moist green and very inviting. The crew consisted of Jim, Larry, Rich, Wally, Ron R, Kay, Bonnie and Brenda. We started out on the packed and well maintained tourist trail to the falls. The artistic work on that trail was most impressive. It made one want to come back and walk to the falls and down the steps to the pool under the falls. But we went across the bridge to the trail on the other side of the North Fork of the West Fork of the Gallatin River to connect with the Yellow Mule trail. It was a beautiful ride as we were soon high into wide green meadows with a vista of mountain ranges all around. The crew did work! They cut several big logs and dug water bars across several meadows where the trail had washed quite deep. We were in hopes of working back down either Yellow Mule trail 2 or Yellow Mule trail 3 thus riding in a circle. We did find the Yellow Mule Forest cabin but could not find the other Mule trails, despite consulting several maps. So we ended up retracing our steps back to the parking lot. There, Bonnie treated all with cold watermelon treats. We were home by 7:00.

Monday July 6th Bridger Bowl South

We were met by the Chronicle crew for an interview and photo op for the poker ride at Bridger Bowl parking lot at 9:00. The photographer followed us to a spot to put in some water bars, we did the job and continued on. He took pictures of Dick Haines cutting a tree across the trail and Bonnie Hammer lopping overhead branches from her horse York. The article the next day in the Chronicle was fairly accurate and informative. The group of 9 (Kay, Ron, Trina, Wayne, Dick H, Dick G, Jim, Bonnie, & Ruth) split into 3, one going via the water tank, one through the trees to pop stop 2 and one reversed. We had 4 pack horses and 4 chain saws and all got some use. Two groups met for lunch and joined with Kay and Ron later for some much needed help rolling big logs off the trail. In all 12 trees were cut and we made it back to the trucks at 3:00 for refreshments before the threat of rain became a reality.

Don Drake has cut the 401 all the way to Ennis Lake so the 401 is canceled for us.Indian Ridge has been cut to the Wilderness boundary by Larry and Wally; we'll find a replacement. Ron & I rode Bear Canyon and checked out the new trail for hikers, bikers and horsemen today. We also rode up New World to the landslide to check it out. It would be easy to fix. Two bridges over mud holes need some work up that way also.

July 7th Middle Cottonwood

Ron & I rode up Middle Cottonwood on the west side of the Bridgers this evening, turned south 1/2 mile on the Sypes Canyon trail and arrived at the latest landslide. Trees are ajumble, snow is packed and deep with leaves, pine needles and dirt covering so it may last all summer, trail is under there somewhere. It is a job for the forest service crew. Just thought you might like to see the pictures I sent Brian.

July 8 New World Gulch

July 8, the “Wed” work crew was scheduled for New World Gulch. That morning in spite of clouds and threatened rain, Rich appeared first, followed by Jim and Brenda. Also Ed Long was at the trail head with a friend who was working a novice mule. Because the mule was “in training” we lost them somewhere along the trail. We waited for more crew, and particularly we were looking for the tools of our trade to show up. We enlisted Jim’s cell phone to call only to discover that it was raining copiously down in the valley and the mission for that day had been abandoned. Since we were there, we decided to do a reconnaissance ride. We started up the trail hitting numerous bogs, lots of rock and much erosion. We finally came across a steep place with large rocks and water on the trail. Rich felt that going on was not a worthwhile project. He felt the trail should just be reworked or rerouted. We did some light saw work (as we had a small saw) cleaned rock off the slide, etc. It was still early so we hit Moonshine trail and again did some light saw work. Back at the trail head, we ran into trail supervisor Brian McNeil of the Gallatin NationalForest Bozeman District office. Jim and Rich bent his ear for some time. The opportunity to talk with Brian in the field, along with a nice ride, made the day well worth our time. Rain never really became a factor while we were at the gulch but driving home we encountered the downpour. At the Gulch, we were lucky. The weather favored us.

July 13 New World Gulch

The trail crew will meet at New World Gulch in Bear Canyon and clear toward Bear Lakes. Rich Inman was up there today and met Brian who said there were some trees down between Mystic and Bear Lakes.

July 15th Wheeler Gulch

Wednesday July 15, The Crew was invited to work Wheeler Gulch off of the South Cottonwood trail. Eleven horses and eight workers arrived: Rich with the tools and pack mule, Jim and Brenda, Wally, Dick Grover and pack horse, Dan Marsh and pack horse, Ron and Sherrie White. The trail head was full of horse trailers (also another couple was there just to ride.) A bicyclist came into the packing lot and just turned around, (perhaps overwhelmed by the trailers?) The ride up the Cottonwood trail was uneventful with Wally having no difficulty leading us to the spot on the creek to cross. The partial cabin which marks the bottom of Wheeler Gulch was immediately noted. From there it was pick a place to ride as the trail had mostly disappeared. Between Wally’s memory and Dan Marsh’s GPS, we moved up the Gulch.(It was felt that Wally’s memory was better at locating the remnants of the trail.) At one particular steep spot where switchbacks were being created, Dan started up with his pack horse Tom, when Tom slipped. Upon trying to get his feet under him, He fell. It was steep enough that Tom rolled sidewise to the bottom where he then became wedged on his side between a pile of rocks and an overhanging lip of the trail. He could not move. Meanwhile the breast strap was quite tight appearing to impede his breathing. It was scary! Calling for help, Wally, Dick, Dan and Ron immediately went to work. First they removed several large rocks hoping to give Tom enough room so that he could get his feet under him. However, as he struggled the pack saddle shifted more to the back putting more pressure on the breast strap. It seemed for a minute that Tom’s breathing had stopped. Ron pulled his handy knife and began cutting straps. Wally used the halter rope to position Tom’s feet so that they were in place to help him and more rocks were removed. Tom seemed to relax, rest and then struggled to his feet. It was a relief to see him tied up, safe and sound. After that excitement, lunch was eaten and the group went on up the mountain forging ahead. Once on top several old logging roads were found. Dan, Brenda and Jim followed one until Dan was certain that this was the road which would connect with the dirt bikes for the challenge. During the trek up and then down, many logs and down falls were sawed and removed (yeah! for chain saws). And Sherrie following behind, nipping and clipping. It was amazing how much improved a trail can look after 11 horses walk over it. Back at the trail head, after passing numerous hikers on Cottonwood trail, it was nice to think that we had opened another option for both the Bear Canyon and the Cottonwood users. Good day for all!

Ron and I rode Wheeler Gulch yesterday afternoon. It didn't take long to come down, 1 hour to the Cottonwood trail and another 3/4 to come to TH. What a great job of brushing you all did!! We only saw two trees horses will have to step over. You probably started off the Cottonwood trail the way you did due to wetness along the old creek trail didn't you. We met some folks at the Korner Cafe for supper who knew who lived in that old cabin up there. I couldn't believe there was still glass in it. It seems a dark and dreary existence to me.

July 20 New World Gulch

Rained out of New World Gulch twice, the crew was finally able to hit the trail on this warm sunny day with Ron Rassley (with packhorse), Kay Tate, Wayne Frederickson, Dick Grover (with pack horse) and Ron and Sherrie White. The crew of 6 tackled 62 trees along the trail with most of the deadfall past the Mystic Lake cabin on Bear Lakes trail. Wayne and Dick circled the lake clearing while the rest of the crew went up the cut off past the toilet on the north end of the lake. Wayne wore two hats as one of two loppers (Sherrie White was the other ) and as the group bulldozer, scooping massive logs and brush off the trail with ease. Sawyer duties were shared by Dick Grover, Ron Rassley and Ron White. For our viewing pleasure, Kay Tate entertained on her new dancing horse, Jerry, on his first trail clearing ever. Kay was not entertained. We split at the top of the big hill as Dick and Wayne returned the way we came to look for a tool kit left along the way. Luckily found same. Refreshments awaited back at the trailhead when we all arrived at 5:30. (Sherrie White)

July 22 Cinnamon Creek

July 22, another Wednesday, and another trail: This time we met at the Buffalo Station to follow each other to Cinnamon Creek trail head. The crew consisted of Ron Rohletter, Bonnie Hammer, Rich, Jim and Brenda. Heading out of the parking lot, the trail looked acceptable with several new bridges in good shape. However, further up, several large down falls were noted with extensive trails branching around them. These were cleared with the original trail being re-established and the other trails, hopefully made less available. About five miles up, we came upon several old logging roads and found a trail looping back. On this trail we could look to the south and see Albino Lake and got a taste of the sage brush which would accompany a trip in that direction. Continuing back towards the East, we were soon retracing our steps through the trees and meadows, over and along the streams. This gave us the opportunity to determine the effectiveness of our earlier labor. The consensus was unanimous: Good! The crew felt productive and Jim was happy as he had many opportunities to interact with the chainsaw. After sharing watermelon provided by Bonnie, we left the trailhead about 5.

July 23rd Gallatin Interconnect Challenge

Participants will gather information about trail conditions, learn about different user-group needs and meet with community leaders at stops along the way to discuss ideas. Helmet cameras worn by participants will record the course.

“What we want to show is what the experience is like,” said Christin Seifert, an organizer of the challenge and director of outreach for Montana PBS, which got a private grant to help pay for the project. “We’ll have stops along the way and we’re going to ask (participants) what worked and what didn’t.”

Each leg of the trip will be hosted by a different community user group, such as the Gallatin Valley Land Trust, Gallatin Equestrian Partnership and Gallatin Valley Bike Club. But the public is welcome to participate.

“Anyone who wants to take part, we’re willing to accommodate those users in the route,” Montague said. “We want to get all the different input that these groups can provide.”

Follow-up roundtable discussions will be held with park and trail stakeholders, which range from the user groups to private landowners and tourism representatives.

The idea for both the challenge and roundtables came from a survey on county parks and trails conducted this spring. The results of that survey are still being calculated.

Whatever is learned will be incorporated in the new Gallatin County Interconnect Plan, which is being developed through a partnership between the county’s Planning Board, planning department, open lands coordinator and Board of Park Commissioners.

The funding comes, in part, from a Blueprint America grant, which the Rockefeller Foundation gave WNET, the public television station in New York, to distribute. The grants are aimed at bringing attention to and improving the nation’s infrastructure.

Montana PBS received $8,000 chunk of that grant and is funding the Interconnect Challenge, according to Marianne Jackson Amsden, chairwoman of the Gallatin County Interconnect Committee.

Improving parks and trails are one way the nation can prepare for the tightening fossil fuel market, Seifert and Montague said.

For information on participating, volunteering or anything else, visit www.gallatincountyinterconnect.com.

Amanda Ricker can be reached at aricker@dailychronicle.com or 582-2628.

July 24th Truman Gulch

Ron & Kay rode up Truman Gulch and took out the two trees on the recreation trail with a hand saw Thursday. Took a while but Ron wanted to rest Jessie & Sport as they have been raking hay and were too tired to pack. At some point we'll go up Corbley with the chain saw to get the big tree up there. If anybody hears of any other trails needing clearing let us know. We are considering Mt. Blackmore past Fox Creek cabin.

July 27 Fairy Lake

Amid a tumultuous heaven Sherrie & Ron rode to Fairy Lake and back. There were some big trees down within 20 min. of the lake so that will be our destination on Monday the 27th. Again, call Ron if you are coming. Thanks. KayNot knowing how many will be coming we will keep the Monday clearing to Fairy Lake, leaving from the Brackett Creek Y parking lot at 9 am. Henry Glenn is bringing one pack horse and saw. Ron R. will not be coming as he has too much pain in his hip and leg right now.

July 29 Sage Creek

Wednesday, July 29, found the crew meeting at Sage Creek. Here we talked to Rod Davies about the new horse corrals, discussing logistics and strategies concerning placement, cost and labor. The crew members involved in this endeavor were Larry Thomas, Rich Inman, Ron Rohletter, Bonnie Hammer, Brenda Kessler and Jim Allbright. Bonnie Hammer wrote estimates and kept notes in her small spiral notepad, scribbling generously. After looking over the area, and placing stakes, the group gathered up and trailered on up the highway to the Teepee creek trail head. It was close to lunch time so before horses were mounted, lunch was eaten. The pack mule was loaded with the usual tools and we were off towards Buffalo Horn. The only work we found was the sign post with arrows pointing in four directions down on the ground. Most confusing but Rich and Wally finally had it all straighten out. The post was left standing, secure, pointing to the crossing of the trails. It was a great ride and we left the trail head about 4:320.

July 30th Fairy Lake

Rained out Monday and Tuesday, a crew of 3 saw a break in the weather on Wednesday and tackled the trail into Fairy Lake. Sherrie and Ron had ridden the "official" trail from Battle Ridge a few days prior and knew that trees to be cleared were closer to the lake, so they chose to take the more scenic trail from Brackett Creek. Ron and Sherrie White, along with new member, Henry Glenn and packhorse, cleared 6 trees. The trio met up with Janice and a group of her riders who helped hold horses before stopping at the lake for lunch. After lunch, the trail crew decided to continue past the lake, spotted a herd of mountain goats, and came out at the shafthouse trailhead. The group continued down Seitz Road to Henry's place and then shuttled to retrieve horse trailers. It's great to have a new member on the trail crew!

August 1st Ramshorn

Saturday August 1 dawned clear and warm. After some jockeying and eventual meeting at the Buffalo Station, six riders started out at the Twin Cabin trailhead and made the 9+ mile ride to Ramshorn lake. Along the way we had to bushwhack only a few times around down trees. The wildflowers and grass in the high meadows are deep and lush. Walt Becker led the way over trails he had guided and packed for years. Ed Long and his friend Brenda rode a mule and a buckskin gelding. Jan Elpel rode her sorrel mare and a new member, Liz Gibson, rode her paso fino. Rounding it out, I rode my appy and ponied my new appy X walker for tryout. Everyone had a great time We returned by the same route as Walt had heard from Clark Kinney that the Buffalo Horn trail had some problems and with the day getting late we didn’t want to take chances. Jan Elpel would like to schedule a ride in the Tobacco Roots near Pony.

August 5th South Cottonwood

The first Wednesday of August (Aug 5) found the trail crew at South Cottonwood. Rain was expected so everyone had Slickers. Also because of an anticipated long ride, the meet time was 8:00. Arriving was Jim and Brenda, Bette, Wally and Larry. It was a long ride up past wheeler Gulch turn off , History Rock or Fox Creek and up past the “Y” and on up the Mt Blackmore trail. After Fox Meadows, we did run into logs down and several downfalls. Several counts were made claiming about 15 cuts and six to eight logs cut. On the Blackmore Trail we did meet two girls hiking from Hylite Reservoir, who shared with us that they only recalled one tree on the trail and it was over the top. It was with this information, we made the decision to turn around as time was getting late. And it was Bette’s and Bette’s horse’s first time out. Numerous times the weather threatened to rain but we knew if we donned our rain coats it would clear up. So finally as it started to drizzle, we stopped for rain coat application. Of course, it cleared up. But we did not get wet. It was a cool day and again a neat ride.

August 5th Trail #522 (Grouse Mtn)

Henry Glenn (with packhorse) and Sherrie and Ron White, along with a local rancher (Robert), drove to the trailhead at the end of Petterson Rd. and cleared 10 trees from the trail. This isn't the easiest trail to find as there are no markings where the trail begins, but Robert and Henry know this area well because they run cows in the area. Once we were on the trail we found blazes to follow.

August 10th Mt. Blackmore

Seven souls made the journey up Hyalite (a stop light regulates traffic flow due to installation of new guard rails) to within 1/4 mile of the dam to the new Mt. Blackmore TH with a nice parking lot, toilet and jct to both Blackmore and History Rock TH's. We wandered around on old logging roads, unable to find the jct with the old trail, came back down and went to the paved parking lot and up from there, finding the jct quite a ways up. (We had been so very close before we turned back.) Dick Haines led Joe with the chain saw and he cut 10 trees with Wayne Frederickson and Larry Thomas tossing the debris. We lunched in the nice grove of tie trees before the final push to the pass. Blackmore Lake was beautiful and the view from the upper trail is spectacular. Jane Huffine, Liz Lewis, Trina Frederickson and Kay Tate completed the contingent.

August 12 Porcupine

Porcupine trailhead 9 A.M., August 12 was the directions from Larry for the Wednesday crew. Eight people arrived at the correct trailhead despite the fact that the highway trail sign was missing (probably removed by the highway construction workers). Those present included Sherrie and Ron White, Wayne Fredrickson, Larry, Wally, Jim, Brenda and a guest ( Liz). Nice trail at start but as we started up towards Ramshorn Lake, the trail became rocky and steep. It was here that Wally had noted several down falls and trees over the trail. Jim claimed the chainsaws from the packhorse (Larry had brought Harriet, his big horse) and attacked the downed trees. Wayne and Wally dispersed the pieces and parts effectively to the side. Wayne did a wonderful impersonation of Paul Bunyan (the mythical giant lumberjack). It was estimated that around 12 such places claimed our attention. We ate lunch about 2 o’clock waiting until we could eat at the lake and tie our horses in the corrals. The lake was beautiful and peaceful until some motorcyclists decided to ride around the lake making new trails through the bogs. Fortunately they tired quickly of this and disappeared up a trail. On the ride back we cleaned up a stump and some small “leaners” with the hand saw. Also lots of clipping was accomplished by the trusty clippers Wayne, Sherrie and Ron.Blackie, Jim’s horse was in a real hurry to get back to the trailer and managed to Jig almost all the way out. You would think he would be tired as the total distance (when measured on the map by the string method) was 20 miles. A long day as it was close to 6 when exiting the trailhead parking lot to encounter the highway traffic.
P.S. Thanks to Wayne for the cold watermelon treat in the parking lot before we took off (or should we thank hisMrs.)!

Friday August 21st Sixteen-Mile (Trail #524)

Sixteen-Mile (Trail #524)Henry Glenn (with packhorse) and Sherrie and Ron White cleared 3 trees and repaired a washout area along the creek. Trout in the creek teased us for not having our fishing poles and we had several moose sightings. Sherrie and Ron will complete the north Bridgers by doing Horsethief when they can. They will let us know when they are going in so we can join them if we can. Other than that we have completed our tasks for the f.s. this year. Larry and crew went up Swan on Weds last and Jim and Wayne will get up Corbley to get that tree out at a later date. When we are going somewhere I will let you all know to see if anybody wants to come along. Of course there are lots of trails to ride and clear as trees continue to fall. Thanks for all your help this year. Kay

Saturday August 29 Spanish Creek

Eight riders met at Spanish Creek to ride the loop thru the Spanish Peaks. They included Esther and Leah Fishbaugh, Tom Anderson, Jim Jones, Dan Marsh, R.J. Conti, Walt Becker, and Dan Porter. Walt and Dan decided to change the route slightly and take the Hermit Creek Trail #413 to Upper Falls Creek Lake ( Here we stopped for lunch)and then loop past Jerome Rock lakes, cross the divide above Big Brother lake and return on the 401 Trail. Weather was perfect, and the trail mostly clear. We did cross a number of boggy spots and much of the trail at timberline was extremely rocky. The views of the Blaze, Gallatin Peak , Indian Ridge, Anceny, and the Madison /Gallatin divide as well as the Gallatin Valley and even the Bridger Range, were awesome. Inadvertently we became sidetracked briefly when our president, with GPS in hand, led us towards Little Sister lake instead of Big Brother. Back on course, we stopped briefly at Big Brother Lake and then returned thru Ted’s place, clearing two deadfall from the trail. We covered 21 miles over the eight hours . The horses all handled the terrain and long ride well and the riders had a great time.

September 5th Tamphrey Creek

Larry Thomas, Walt Becker, and myself took the Tamphrey Creek Trail to Windy pass…about 9 miles each way, rugged and steep. An experienced horse and rider are prerequisite, and a sharp pack saw is a good idea. There is parking just past the trailhead. The trail is open to motorized from July 15th to Sept. 4th, so we didn’t run into any, but they have screwed up the trails in the area quite a bit…creating new trails instead of using the historic one, short cutting switchbacks, etc. In some areas, the logging from 25 + years ago had eliminated the trail and the new trail in these areas runs straight down the hill ,already causing serious erosion. This would be a good place for a club project in conjunction with the FS next year. Portions of it can be reached by vehicle. Happy Trails, Dan